when they ask have you UNDER - STOOD: your answer is NO (as you do not STAND UNDER their law (admiralty, or corporate law).
If they want to take your details : do not give them any title (Mr., Mrs, Ms, etc.) as that shows you are buying into their law as well. Just your first name if you want (but you can decline as well). And never sign your name on anything where they have printed your name in capitals, as that too signifies your aquiecense into their law. Cross it out and if needed print your name in lower case letters and write 'under duress' above it.
Keep asking THEM questions, like : under which LAW are you holding me, etc. or what HARM have I caused ? Because for them to procecute you, they need to prove there is a victim. Another question would be to show you the legislation they are acting upon.
These are just bits and pieces I have picked up from reading about the common law. I need to do a lot more reading :)
The Oath is truly and fully nothing. If you recite the words or have a card, it will have No effect to police. This is nothing. This is a fake thing - this is nothing. I have no other way to explain it.
The Facebook group has dozens if not hundreds of letters from police departments all around the world, explaining how this is not real, and a misunderstanding, and fantasy. It has no merit in any way, it is an ENORMOUS set up for disappointment. Your oaths and letters are ignored and thrown in the garbage - they have no effect in the real world.
Nobody is afraid, nobody fears any of this. Believe in magical powers, explained to you third-hand from someone you don't know, if you must. But this exists parallel to the real world. You will still be subject to the laws of the place you live, forever, until you pass. The end.
I stand under Article 61 of the Magna Carta 1215 which was invoked in March 2001 according to constitutional protocols
Any attempt to enforce unlawful Acts, Statutes or Legislative Laws upon myself will be taken as an act of treason for which you will stand trial before a jury of the people.
I urge you to consider Nuremburg. “That I was just doing my job” was no defence as evidence at those trials.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Anything you say or any action taken by you against myself will be used as evidence before the jury.
To deny constitutional law is sedition at common law and carries full asset stripping and imprisonment.
Also...this might be useful...from the website FreedomFestival....
How to not make joinder with Police
The following is a basic script to help you with the possible police questions and your answers in situations where they try to make joinder with you. But we never really know exactly what they will say, so you do have to think on your feet. However, it should help you.
POLICE: We’ve been directed to disperse the crowds now, so we are asking everyone to leave. Are you leaving?
Public: Is there a lawful obligation on me to answer your questions? Am I obliged to answer your questions?
POLICE: If you’re not answering my questions then I’m assuming that you’re leaving so are you leaving?
Public: Is there a lawful obligation on me to answer your questions? Am I obliged to answer your questions?
POLICE: Right so if you’re not going to leave, I’m going to have to issue you with a fine. It’s your choice. You’re going to get a fine if you don’t leave. What are you going to do?
Public: Is there a lawful obligation on me to answer your questions? Am I obliged to answer your questions?
POLICE: You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying. All I’m asking is for you to leave. Do you understand?
Public: I don’t understand. I do not stand under you.
POLICE: If you’re not going to leave then you’re breaking the law and I can fine you.
Public:What law have I broken?
POLICE: The Coronavirus Act 2020 clearly states that people must not gather in groups of more than 6 and there are clearly more than 6 people in this gathering.
Public: The Coronavirus Act is not actually law. As you stated it is an Act and an Act only has the force of law if I consent to it and I do not give consent to it. Therefore, I have not broken any law and you have no authority to issue me with a fine for a crime I haven’t committed
POLICE: I don’t know what you’re talking about. There is no difference between an act and a law. You have broken the law, which is why we’ve been given the directive to fine or arrest people.
Public: An act is only law with the consent of the governed. I do not consent so I repeat that I have not broken any law
POLICE: I don’t know about that. As far as I’m concerned, you’ve broken the law and I’m here to uphold the law. So, either leave or I’m fining you. What’s your name?
Public: If I’ve broken the law then what is my crime? And for a crime there has to be a victim. Show me the victim.
POLICE: The crime is breaking the Coronavirus Act 2020 and the victims could be the hundreds of people who could be infected by this virus.
Public: So, there are no victims you can show me? So how can you accuse me of a crime when there’s no victim?
POLICE: If you are refusing to leave and refusing to give me your details. I’m warning you that I’ll be arresting you.
Public: If you’re threatening to arrest me, I’m warning you that I will be holding you personally accountable in a court of law. So please state clearly your full name and your badge number
POLICE: Full name and badge number. I can handle going to court if you want to do that.
Public: I don’t think so. You will not have the protection of the police force behind you. You will be on your own being charged in your personal capacity. You will not be represented by the Police Federation. You will have to represent yourself and fork out money for a solicitor from your own pocket. You will be liable for all court costs and any fines you’re issued with. And you could lose your job or even end up in prison for breaking actual laws rather than Acts. So please desist from harassing me unlawfully.
At this point, calmly and confidently turn around and walk away.
Other questions the Public can ask at this point are:
Rhi, The Barons only can invoke article 61 (in 2001), we the people take an oath to uphold it. While there is some good information in your post, David was clear about the CLC fraud.
For police to arrest/detain you there must be a crime committed (harm, loss, injury, breach of peace) and for there to be a crime there needs to be a victim. You cannot have a victimless crime.
The officer will need to have
1) A victim, 2) evidence of the offence, and 3) proven intent.
Without that he has no case to arrest you, that's why it would be kidnap. The only way you can contract in commercial law is by a legal entity because a LIVING flesh/blood man/woman cannot contract with A DEAD CORPSE (Corp = dead, Oration = speaking) just like the living cannot see/speak to the dead.
That’s why they create the fiction for us at birth. We are representing the legal fiction when we agree to being that dead entity and transact as that. We assert ourselves as the natural man/woman and not the corporate identity given to us.
The Government are agents of the Crown, who swore an oath to protect the people and uphold the Constitutional Laws. The police and other public servants are acting as an agent of the Crown.
We are a nation of sovereigns making us all equal under the common LAW (Constitution) and under Almighty God. This is the highest LAW of the land. Every man and woman are duty bound to uphold the COMMON sense LAWS: do not cause harm, loss, injury, commit fraud, or breach of the peace.
Any acts or statute passed by government must not infringe or interfere with these LAWS. That would be UNLAWFUL.
Example: The Coronavirus Act 2020 is UNLAWFUL POLICY since it prevents/restricts the freedom to exercise God given natural rights. This act is NOT LAW.
Police are in SERVICE as LAW enforcers to uphold the LAW; to prevent harm, loss, injury, fraud, and breach of the peace. They are sworn in under oath... “to uphold the fundamental human rights… cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property…faithfully according to LAW”, not to uphold POLICY.
Therefore they are acting outside of their jurisdiction and are acting criminally for which a claim can be made for TRESPASS that will hold them personally LIABLE for the TRESSPASS and BREACH of LAW. Same applies to illegal fines for non mask wearing ....
ALWAYS BE ASKING “AS KING” AND NEVER GIVE THEM YOUR DETAILS - THEY NEED YOU TO GIVE THEM TO MAKE JOINDER WITH YOU. AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT COMMITTING A CRIME (cause harm injury loss fraud) THEY HAVE NO GROUNDS TO STOP YOU OR DETAIN YOU OR EXTORT MONEY FROM YOU.
...Don't forget you stand as a freeman / sovereign being under common law. If you have committed no crime they should not take action against you. You put the police on notice (or any other person in uniform) of this fact and take their details (name and badge).
You inform them that they will be PERSONNALLY held to account, they will not have the backing of their federation for their unlawful acts.
By the way, I have no legal qualifications, I am just trying to help people to find information and to be confident about dealing with the Police. I'm sure I am one of thousands that once believed in the Police and their role in society. The recent events have destroyed all my beliefs, support and respect for the Police. I even once helped a lone officer to make an arrest whilst he was struggling with a guy. This I sincerely regret and I will NEVER do again. I am sure my sentiments are mirrored by many people in this once free country.
I, like many, have family members that fought in the 2 World Wars, let us not forget their sacrifices and what they gave to us.
Thank you. I saw a reference in the document to the LAPD, "protect and serve" motto and presumed wrongly it was an American document. I shall now continue to read. Thanks for this.
it may be that England is one of the world’s oldest country’s, hence the unique importance of English law that forms the basis of US Law and all other Common Law Jurisdictions. It is founded upon individual liberty and due process of law.
(two things by the way that the United Nations seek to arbitrarily abolish with Article 29(3) of their Charter)...but let's not go there!
as long as you remember the following:
when they ask have you UNDER - STOOD: your answer is NO (as you do not STAND UNDER their law (admiralty, or corporate law).
If they want to take your details : do not give them any title (Mr., Mrs, Ms, etc.) as that shows you are buying into their law as well. Just your first name if you want (but you can decline as well). And never sign your name on anything where they have printed your name in capitals, as that too signifies your aquiecense into their law. Cross it out and if needed print your name in lower case letters and write 'under duress' above it.
Keep asking THEM questions, like : under which LAW are you holding me, etc. or what HARM have I caused ? Because for them to procecute you, they need to prove there is a victim. Another question would be to show you the legislation they are acting upon.
These are just bits and pieces I have picked up from reading about the common law. I need to do a lot more reading :)
This is so helpful! Thank you!
If you are under oath and in lawful standing you can use the Constitutional Caution Card.
Thank you
The Oath is truly and fully nothing. If you recite the words or have a card, it will have No effect to police. This is nothing. This is a fake thing - this is nothing. I have no other way to explain it.
The Facebook group has dozens if not hundreds of letters from police departments all around the world, explaining how this is not real, and a misunderstanding, and fantasy. It has no merit in any way, it is an ENORMOUS set up for disappointment. Your oaths and letters are ignored and thrown in the garbage - they have no effect in the real world.
Nobody is afraid, nobody fears any of this. Believe in magical powers, explained to you third-hand from someone you don't know, if you must. But this exists parallel to the real world. You will still be subject to the laws of the place you live, forever, until you pass. The end.
Ok, thank you for taking the time to explain it to me
Hey, Mike. Your opinion is noted again ;)
You failed to mention all of the times the combination of treason evidence and Magna Carta has deterred the state from harassing civil folks.
I find your empty conjecture meritless and I wonder why you put so much energy into denigrating an approach proven effective.
https://www.commonlawcourt.com/
Do they still run their website? I have heard it’s almost impossible to get hold of them.
Copy of your Oath and Constitutional Caution Card would be wise to have on hand :)
This is what I have....
I must caution you.
I stand under Article 61 of the Magna Carta 1215 which was invoked in March 2001 according to constitutional protocols
Any attempt to enforce unlawful Acts, Statutes or Legislative Laws upon myself will be taken as an act of treason for which you will stand trial before a jury of the people.
I urge you to consider Nuremburg. “That I was just doing my job” was no defence as evidence at those trials.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
Anything you say or any action taken by you against myself will be used as evidence before the jury.
To deny constitutional law is sedition at common law and carries full asset stripping and imprisonment.
Do you understand?
Also...this might be useful...from the website FreedomFestival....
How to not make joinder with Police
The following is a basic script to help you with the possible police questions and your answers in situations where they try to make joinder with you. But we never really know exactly what they will say, so you do have to think on your feet. However, it should help you.
POLICE: We’ve been directed to disperse the crowds now, so we are asking everyone to leave. Are you leaving?
Public: Is there a lawful obligation on me to answer your questions? Am I obliged to answer your questions?
POLICE: If you’re not answering my questions then I’m assuming that you’re leaving so are you leaving?
Public: Is there a lawful obligation on me to answer your questions? Am I obliged to answer your questions?
POLICE: Right so if you’re not going to leave, I’m going to have to issue you with a fine. It’s your choice. You’re going to get a fine if you don’t leave. What are you going to do?
Public: Is there a lawful obligation on me to answer your questions? Am I obliged to answer your questions?
POLICE: You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying. All I’m asking is for you to leave. Do you understand?
Public: I don’t understand. I do not stand under you.
POLICE: If you’re not going to leave then you’re breaking the law and I can fine you.
Public: What law have I broken?
POLICE: The Coronavirus Act 2020 clearly states that people must not gather in groups of more than 6 and there are clearly more than 6 people in this gathering.
Public: The Coronavirus Act is not actually law. As you stated it is an Act and an Act only has the force of law if I consent to it and I do not give consent to it. Therefore, I have not broken any law and you have no authority to issue me with a fine for a crime I haven’t committed
POLICE: I don’t know what you’re talking about. There is no difference between an act and a law. You have broken the law, which is why we’ve been given the directive to fine or arrest people.
Public: An act is only law with the consent of the governed. I do not consent so I repeat that I have not broken any law
POLICE: I don’t know about that. As far as I’m concerned, you’ve broken the law and I’m here to uphold the law. So, either leave or I’m fining you. What’s your name?
Public: If I’ve broken the law then what is my crime? And for a crime there has to be a victim. Show me the victim.
POLICE: The crime is breaking the Coronavirus Act 2020 and the victims could be the hundreds of people who could be infected by this virus.
Public: So, there are no victims you can show me? So how can you accuse me of a crime when there’s no victim?
POLICE: If you are refusing to leave and refusing to give me your details. I’m warning you that I’ll be arresting you.
Public: If you’re threatening to arrest me, I’m warning you that I will be holding you personally accountable in a court of law. So please state clearly your full name and your badge number
POLICE: Full name and badge number. I can handle going to court if you want to do that.
Public: I don’t think so. You will not have the protection of the police force behind you. You will be on your own being charged in your personal capacity. You will not be represented by the Police Federation. You will have to represent yourself and fork out money for a solicitor from your own pocket. You will be liable for all court costs and any fines you’re issued with. And you could lose your job or even end up in prison for breaking actual laws rather than Acts. So please desist from harassing me unlawfully.
At this point, calmly and confidently turn around and walk away.
Other questions the Public can ask at this point are:
Am I being detained? Or am I free to go?
This is amazing! Thank you 🙏🏼
Rhi, The Barons only can invoke article 61 (in 2001), we the people take an oath to uphold it. While there is some good information in your post, David was clear about the CLC fraud.
For police to arrest/detain you there must be a crime committed (harm, loss, injury, breach of peace) and for there to be a crime there needs to be a victim. You cannot have a victimless crime.
The officer will need to have
1) A victim, 2) evidence of the offence, and 3) proven intent.
Without that he has no case to arrest you, that's why it would be kidnap. The only way you can contract in commercial law is by a legal entity because a LIVING flesh/blood man/woman cannot contract with A DEAD CORPSE (Corp = dead, Oration = speaking) just like the living cannot see/speak to the dead.
That’s why they create the fiction for us at birth. We are representing the legal fiction when we agree to being that dead entity and transact as that. We assert ourselves as the natural man/woman and not the corporate identity given to us.
The Government are agents of the Crown, who swore an oath to protect the people and uphold the Constitutional Laws. The police and other public servants are acting as an agent of the Crown.
We are a nation of sovereigns making us all equal under the common LAW (Constitution) and under Almighty God. This is the highest LAW of the land. Every man and woman are duty bound to uphold the COMMON sense LAWS: do not cause harm, loss, injury, commit fraud, or breach of the peace.
Any acts or statute passed by government must not infringe or interfere with these LAWS. That would be UNLAWFUL.
Example: The Coronavirus Act 2020 is UNLAWFUL POLICY since it prevents/restricts the freedom to exercise God given natural rights. This act is NOT LAW.
Police are in SERVICE as LAW enforcers to uphold the LAW; to prevent harm, loss, injury, fraud, and breach of the peace. They are sworn in under oath... “to uphold the fundamental human rights… cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property…faithfully according to LAW”, not to uphold POLICY.
Therefore they are acting outside of their jurisdiction and are acting criminally for which a claim can be made for TRESPASS that will hold them personally LIABLE for the TRESSPASS and BREACH of LAW. Same applies to illegal fines for non mask wearing ....
ALWAYS BE ASKING “AS KING” AND NEVER GIVE THEM YOUR DETAILS - THEY NEED YOU TO GIVE THEM TO MAKE JOINDER WITH YOU. AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT COMMITTING A CRIME (cause harm injury loss fraud) THEY HAVE NO GROUNDS TO STOP YOU OR DETAIN YOU OR EXTORT MONEY FROM YOU.
When are you legally obliged to give your name?
Watch video: https://youtu.be/wa6DDw8egOw
Stop and search - Not giving consent:
Watch video: https://youtu.be/3H3F1wRQm50
Very empowering video...10 minutes long shown here:
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/avoid-joinder-fines-arrests-by-police-using-common-law-with-role-play-tickets-130349939177?aff=odeimcmailchimp&mc_eid=daa6e9d967&mc_cid=bf644f9095
...Don't forget you stand as a freeman / sovereign being under common law. If you have committed no crime they should not take action against you. You put the police on notice (or any other person in uniform) of this fact and take their details (name and badge).
You inform them that they will be PERSONNALLY held to account, they will not have the backing of their federation for their unlawful acts.
By the way, I have no legal qualifications, I am just trying to help people to find information and to be confident about dealing with the Police. I'm sure I am one of thousands that once believed in the Police and their role in society. The recent events have destroyed all my beliefs, support and respect for the Police. I even once helped a lone officer to make an arrest whilst he was struggling with a guy. This I sincerely regret and I will NEVER do again. I am sure my sentiments are mirrored by many people in this once free country.
I, like many, have family members that fought in the 2 World Wars, let us not forget their sacrifices and what they gave to us.
Does this apply to the British police force too?
I believe this document has been written specifically for the Police force in the UK....
Thank you. I saw a reference in the document to the LAPD, "protect and serve" motto and presumed wrongly it was an American document. I shall now continue to read. Thanks for this.
Hi Cassie,
it may be that England is one of the world’s oldest country’s, hence the unique importance of English law that forms the basis of US Law and all other Common Law Jurisdictions. It is founded upon individual liberty and due process of law.
(two things by the way that the United Nations seek to arbitrarily abolish with Article 29(3) of their Charter)...but let's not go there!